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		<title>By: Car Games</title>
		<link>http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009/10/to-school-or-not-to-school/comment-page-2/#comment-569670</link>
		<dc:creator>Car Games</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very good article</description>
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		<title>By: BenSWoodruff</title>
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		<dc:creator>BenSWoodruff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 06:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a nobody in the design world...for now. After spending five years in the US Army, two of those in Iraq drawing with Paint and a mouse (oh lordy), I feel like I am ready to get into school hard-core and learn the real STUFF. I mean, four months on Twitter helps, but really it&#039;s almost just as slow for someone who&#039;s pretty tech-stupid like me. Geeze, I&#039;m only 23, suxors. Anyway, I have NEVER allowed myself to think even for a minute that I&#039;d be able to support myself or my family on my talent alone, though I can definitely see that there really is SO much to learn online. Thanks, by the way, to all those of you who contribute to the knowledge pool. That&#039;s pretty much why I&#039;m addicted to this stuff. My older brother is a Windows Engineer (subcontractor), and I&#039;ll tell him eventually to keep that programming stuff, I want to be an artist for hire. Thanks for reading my comment :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a nobody in the design world&#8230;for now. After spending five years in the US Army, two of those in Iraq drawing with Paint and a mouse (oh lordy), I feel like I am ready to get into school hard-core and learn the real STUFF. I mean, four months on Twitter helps, but really it&#8217;s almost just as slow for someone who&#8217;s pretty tech-stupid like me. Geeze, I&#8217;m only 23, suxors. Anyway, I have NEVER allowed myself to think even for a minute that I&#8217;d be able to support myself or my family on my talent alone, though I can definitely see that there really is SO much to learn online. Thanks, by the way, to all those of you who contribute to the knowledge pool. That&#8217;s pretty much why I&#8217;m addicted to this stuff. My older brother is a Windows Engineer (subcontractor), and I&#8217;ll tell him eventually to keep that programming stuff, I want to be an artist for hire. Thanks for reading my comment <img src='http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Emlak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emlak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 12:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank! although I’m stucked of being a Computer Technician. But I’m working as a Freelance</description>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 02:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!

In my career, I&#039;ve observed 3 areas of discipline that are critical for designers: 1) Design sensibility (&quot;the eye&quot;) and technical ability, 2) being able to communicate your ideas clearly and defend them against criticism, and 3) business intelligence and diplomacy.

It seems that you need BOTH a level of experience in college and a level of real world experience to round out your education. There is nothing that teaches you more about design in the real world than being up against a strict deadline, feeling the pressure of having to deliver for a client that doesn&#039;t care that you haven&#039;t slept in 2 days. That being said, school teaches you about working with others, adhering to deadlines, work ethic, and enjoying learning and progressing. 

If I had to choose, I&#039;d probably choose the self-taught work experience route, but it&#039;d be close. I say this because after interviewing and hiring designers in my own career, I can say unequivocally that your portfolio and your personality are the most weighing elements on whether you&#039;re going to get hired or not. It has more to do with your aptitude as a designer and your ability to fit in and work well with the team than your degree.

One thing nobody has mentioned that I believe would benefit everybody, having to work a customer service job. Dealing with people in the heat of a tense situation teaches you more about yourself and life in the real world than any school or online tutorial can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!</p>
<p>In my career, I&#8217;ve observed 3 areas of discipline that are critical for designers: 1) Design sensibility (&#8221;the eye&#8221;) and technical ability, 2) being able to communicate your ideas clearly and defend them against criticism, and 3) business intelligence and diplomacy.</p>
<p>It seems that you need BOTH a level of experience in college and a level of real world experience to round out your education. There is nothing that teaches you more about design in the real world than being up against a strict deadline, feeling the pressure of having to deliver for a client that doesn&#8217;t care that you haven&#8217;t slept in 2 days. That being said, school teaches you about working with others, adhering to deadlines, work ethic, and enjoying learning and progressing. </p>
<p>If I had to choose, I&#8217;d probably choose the self-taught work experience route, but it&#8217;d be close. I say this because after interviewing and hiring designers in my own career, I can say unequivocally that your portfolio and your personality are the most weighing elements on whether you&#8217;re going to get hired or not. It has more to do with your aptitude as a designer and your ability to fit in and work well with the team than your degree.</p>
<p>One thing nobody has mentioned that I believe would benefit everybody, having to work a customer service job. Dealing with people in the heat of a tense situation teaches you more about yourself and life in the real world than any school or online tutorial can.</p>
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		<title>By: rickdelux</title>
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		<dc:creator>rickdelux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Myself, I went to a Big Ten school not known for design in the 1990&#039;s and received a Bachelors in Liberal Arts. Web Design or Multimedia education didn&#039;t exist at any level back then so I was pretty much left to my own devises to educate myself (and professors and fellow students). The timing ended up perfect for me as I was one or only a handful of college in the mid 90&#039;s to have any web experience. I&#039;ve parlayed that into a six figure design career. But you can be a great designer and make a good income without a formal education or a Bachelors degree. My friends who went to Full Sail for two years do amazing work.

How far up you go is kind of limited by your degree though. Especially so in the corporate world. My little Big Ten degree pales to some of my co-workers with degrees from Harvard, Yale, and Stanford. Now, they don&#039;t do design but much higher level client and business development work. I could go back to school and get a Master&#039;s degree in business to take that next step up from Creative Director but... nearly 18 years of school was enough!

Note, I do Agency work now but have lots of Corporate experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Myself, I went to a Big Ten school not known for design in the 1990&#8217;s and received a Bachelors in Liberal Arts. Web Design or Multimedia education didn&#8217;t exist at any level back then so I was pretty much left to my own devises to educate myself (and professors and fellow students). The timing ended up perfect for me as I was one or only a handful of college in the mid 90&#8217;s to have any web experience. I&#8217;ve parlayed that into a six figure design career. But you can be a great designer and make a good income without a formal education or a Bachelors degree. My friends who went to Full Sail for two years do amazing work.</p>
<p>How far up you go is kind of limited by your degree though. Especially so in the corporate world. My little Big Ten degree pales to some of my co-workers with degrees from Harvard, Yale, and Stanford. Now, they don&#8217;t do design but much higher level client and business development work. I could go back to school and get a Master&#8217;s degree in business to take that next step up from Creative Director but&#8230; nearly 18 years of school was enough!</p>
<p>Note, I do Agency work now but have lots of Corporate experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say that plenty of hard work all round is probably going to get you further than having a good education and just keep plugging away at all the right people to speak to. Make yourself known, network as much as possible and you&#039;ll be doing yourself a huge favour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say that plenty of hard work all round is probably going to get you further than having a good education and just keep plugging away at all the right people to speak to. Make yourself known, network as much as possible and you&#8217;ll be doing yourself a huge favour.</p>
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		<title>By: Stanley Diaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stanley Diaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 03:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Article. I&#039;m a first year design student and have been reading articles of this topic and find them very helpful. I agree that for someone in the field of web or graphic design, you should learn how keep up with new techniques and technology.

Seeing as I&#039;m in first year at college, I&#039;m still pondering whether I should stay or leave and be self-thought. I already keep up with blogs and books which I find incredibly useful but if I leave school, I&#039;ll be missing out on stuff such as being critiqued by like-minded students and professors. Which really helps because you may think your design works, when in reality it doesn&#039;t. It really helps getting a fresh pair of eyes to look at your work.

ps: You mentioned CrowdSpring and getting work through contests. It may work for some new designers getting their foot in the door but I still think it should be avoided. Even though I&#039;m still new to design I wouldn&#039;t rely on this as this basically spec work.

Thanks again for the article. Really enjoyed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Article. I&#8217;m a first year design student and have been reading articles of this topic and find them very helpful. I agree that for someone in the field of web or graphic design, you should learn how keep up with new techniques and technology.</p>
<p>Seeing as I&#8217;m in first year at college, I&#8217;m still pondering whether I should stay or leave and be self-thought. I already keep up with blogs and books which I find incredibly useful but if I leave school, I&#8217;ll be missing out on stuff such as being critiqued by like-minded students and professors. Which really helps because you may think your design works, when in reality it doesn&#8217;t. It really helps getting a fresh pair of eyes to look at your work.</p>
<p>ps: You mentioned CrowdSpring and getting work through contests. It may work for some new designers getting their foot in the door but I still think it should be avoided. Even though I&#8217;m still new to design I wouldn&#8217;t rely on this as this basically spec work.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the article. Really enjoyed it.</p>
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		<title>By: vnikey</title>
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		<dc:creator>vnikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also agree with ddub.

But as much as I would wish to think that &quot;If they lack of knowledge or talent, and the serious employers and principals will choose the designer with an adequate portfolio&quot; this is unfortunately rarely the case in real. 

When a company turns to a graphic designer, it usually has no idea of good or bad design as long as it&#039;s called design, and at this point the only matter is the price of the service... so it often happens (and I have witnessed it) that amateur graphic designers get the job because they are cheaper as they have no degree... and this is very sad in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also agree with ddub.</p>
<p>But as much as I would wish to think that &#8220;If they lack of knowledge or talent, and the serious employers and principals will choose the designer with an adequate portfolio&#8221; this is unfortunately rarely the case in real. </p>
<p>When a company turns to a graphic designer, it usually has no idea of good or bad design as long as it&#8217;s called design, and at this point the only matter is the price of the service&#8230; so it often happens (and I have witnessed it) that amateur graphic designers get the job because they are cheaper as they have no degree&#8230; and this is very sad in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 02:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha love the part about not having to prove yourself twice as hard but can charge twice as much! Classic and thanks for sharing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha love the part about not having to prove yourself twice as hard but can charge twice as much! Classic and thanks for sharing!</p>
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		<title>By: Web Design London</title>
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		<dc:creator>Web Design London</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say that overall I am really impressed with this blog.It is easy to see that you are impassioned about your writing. I wish I had got your ability to write. I look forward to more updates and will be returning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say that overall I am really impressed with this blog.It is easy to see that you are impassioned about your writing. I wish I had got your ability to write. I look forward to more updates and will be returning.</p>
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